I have recently purchased a 64 litre fishtank and after a lot of research have decided that the best way to set up my tank is to do a fishless cycle. The only problem i am having is understanding how to carry out the fishless cycle. How much ammonia am i supposed to put into the tank each day??

Any help would be much appreciated

Hiya sally. welcome to the forum, and well done for deciding to do the fishless cycle - it is by far the best way to prepare your tank for fish.

As for how much ammonia to add, it really is a bit hit and miss I am afraid. See if you can get a syringe from your local chemist, if not use a small spoon (teaspoon or smaller). Add a small bit of ammonia and test the water, add a bit more if necessary, and so on until you get a reading of 5ppm.

Then every day repeat the process. You will soon get to know how much to add and it wont be a problem.

What type of water testing kit do you have by the way?

Any other questions dont hesitate to ask

hi sally first welcome to the forums

as fishfan says test your water every day, if you have a test kit if not it would
be a good idea to get one so you can keep an eye on your water quality
i find its best to check it once a week or fortnight, if i have forgotten anything
rich may be on line later to get you up to speed hope you get your tank sorted
and by the way what fish do you intend stocking



dekker

I'll assume your wanting to keep tropical fish (if not - the process is the same except for the heater temp parts)

OK - first of all - its best to have a 'shopping' list

This needs to be a sourse of ammonia (some will say to pee inthe tank, or use a prawn or two but its easier and more accurate to use household ammonia which is sold in boots or in hardware stores)

You also need test kits to measure ammonia levels and nitrite - you dont NEED a nitrate kit - but it will be useful later so for economy, I suggest a API master freshwater test kit which also has all three kits along with a pH kit (again you dont need this for a fishless cycle but its useful later) - a useful item to get from the chemist is a 10ml syringe (or a few of them) as not only can you accurate measure the amount of ammonia you put in each day - but also the 5ml lines on the test kit tubes are not 100% accurate so use a syringe to measure the amount of water to be tested.

IF you know someone who keeps fish already - ypur onto a big head start (or if your LFS is especially friendly - LFS= Local Fish Store/Shop) - so if you can get/beg/borrow/steal a quantity of used filter media, filter sponge squeezings, tank water, gravel - be it some of each or just the squeezings - this will provide an amount of bacteria to colinise your tank

Im sure you know the bacteria deal with the waste products, turning ammonia to ntrite, then nitrite to nitrate (and nitrate is what you throw away when you do a water change)

Basically the process is as follows

set up your tank, ie the filter(s), heater(s) and air line -set the heaters to run at about 28degrees C (a higher temp spreeds up bacterial growth) Some people say not to add plants (live ones) at this stage - I did it with plants and im not sure it matters too much. When the tank water is at the right temp (allow 24-36hours from start to reach this temp) you can then start up your filters and add the donar material.

if you dont have a donar source - not to worry, as the bugs will develop regardless - it tales a lot longer from start to finish. With donar material - 10 days is about the normal rate - upto a month isnt uncommon without donar bugs.

Basically - add ammonia (1ml at a time) - wait 5mins (to mix in withthe water) anbd then test the levels - when the lelev is about 5ppm - stop adding ammonia and leave the tank for 24hrs.

The repeat at the same time the next day - You will find after a couple of days that a set amount of ammonia gives 5ppm,

You also need to watch the nitrite levels - these will gradually increase until you get really high readings (the spike) and once you hit this spike - you want to gut the ammonia input to about 3ppm per day.

Basically you keep going until one day - you test the water (before adding ammonia) and you find no ammonia and ni nitrite - ie you have enough bugs to consume the ammonia and nitrite produced/added in a 24hour period.

You do not change any water whilst your growing the bugs - only just before your ready to add your first fish - when your are ready, you need to carry out a 80% water change (dont forget to turn the heater down to a more reasonable temp between 24-27degrees c depending on the fish you want)

Keep a diary of readings - so you can watch whats going on - its norm,al to have a faster growth of ammonia eating bugs than nitrite bugs - you may want to have a look at Rich's tank (in my tank section ofg the forum - in photograhy) as i have my fishless cycle there.

If you explore the site - you should find a few posts on this topic (try using the search tool) but otherwise - the tinterweb is full of info on fishless cycles.

Good luck - and dont hesitate to ask (we were all new once) and I think I ve covered everything - its a big topic - its not as complicated as it sounds - once you get intothe swing of things, its quite simple.

Cheers -

to TFF

First of all, good for you for doing your research before adding fish as most people (myself included) do the research afterwards and end up with all sorts of problems due to having the fish in an uncycled tank. It takes patience and perseverance to get through the fishless cycle but rest assured, it's the best and safest way to set up the tank for the fish.

Thanks so much to all of you for your help, its made things much clearer

Wander if any of you could answer this question for me...

I know i dont need to worry about this just yet but would be useful to know for the future.

When it comes to changing the filter pads whats the best way of going about this? I've heard of some people cutting them in half and replacing half at a time so that not all the bacteria is lost at once.

Am i right that the best way to clean the filter is to rinse the pads in tank water (water i have taken out during water changes) ??

Thanks

OK - 1st point - filter instructions often say to replace all the media on some sort of regualr basis - usually recommending their own - this is just to make money so ignore it.

If a sponge is so 'rotten' that is breaks in your hands when cleaning (yes - in tank water) then it needs replacing - and yes, half is the usual amount - allow a minth or so then replace the other half.

If you have a bigger external filter, you can get away with removal of a whole layer (sheet) of sponge - but I wouldnt recommend this for at least 1 year - and to be frank (or bob) you ought not need to replace a spnge etc for well over a year - in the case of ceramic noodles or plastic bioballs - they ought never need replacing.

Some of the courser sponges can get clogged up beyond cleaning - and I find ceramic noodles a better course mechanical media as you can easily wash of the chincky crud in tank water whilst keeping a very healthy bug hoard.

Hope this helps

Ok thanks very much

Yep i'm 3 days into the cycle now

keep up the good work


dekker

I think I am a bit weird because I really enjoyed doing the fishless cycle. I couldn't wait to do my water testing every day and see if there was any change, and I used to put the tank lights on in the evening and admire how I had positioned the fake pants and ornaments.

Sad isnt it!

I'm exactly the same dont worry lol. I've been obsessed with this fish tank.
I have real plants in my tank but who knows how long they will last seeing as i already threw a strop with one plant yesterday as it decided to die on me lol.

Do you have any thoughts on what fish you will be getting Sally?

I've been thinking about that for soo long now that i really havent got a clue. I've got soo many i want that i'm having a problem narrowing it down to just a few fish.

I know i definitely want some guppys and would really like some endlers as well, i think they are ok to keep together as i dont intend to breed them and only want males.

As for other fish thinking of having some cardinal tetras and a few ottos.

Thats probably about all i would fit isnt it??

I have a 64 litre tank.

Any suggestions on any fish that would be suitable would be much appreciated

Ok be told - as 1st fish - none of them

just to save you early heartache - simply because they are all 'delicate' and basically they require a stable environment - a well established tank - which means everything is running merrily and has been for at least 6months (this gives time for all the microbes, bacteria, algae and others) to establish fully

So with this in mind and im guessing you want smaller species - cherry barbs are small and quite attractive and hard as nails - and will make great starter fish (they will tolerate any early mistakes you will make cos we all made em early on) and they will keep the filter active as well the other things ive mentioned.

That mix of fish you mentioned above is fine - just later on

I have a 64liter tank (FishPod) dunno if its what you have - but in mine I have 5 corydora catfish, a pair of Cockatoo Dwarf Cichlids, too many guppys to name - 3 Black Neons, 4 Galaxy Rasbora

I had a major catastrophe with some decor that wiped out alot of my fish which is why I have a seemingly odd mix

A tank with just a shoal of neons would look stunning